Canon de 164 mm Modèle 1893
The Canon de 164 mm Modèle 1893 was a medium-caliber naval gun used as the secondary armament of a number of French pre-dreadnoughts and armoured cruisers during World War I. It was used as railway artillery in both World Wars and as coastal artillery in World War II.
Also recorded as Canon de 164 mm Modele 1893
Canon de 164 mm Modèle 1893

Raoul Berthelé · This photograph is part of the Fonds Raoul Berthelé, preserved by the city archives of Toulouse. It was provided to Wikimedia Commons as part of a cooperation project with Wikimédia France. In 1978 · Public domain
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The Canon de 164 mm Modèle 1893 was a medium-caliber naval gun used as the secondary armament of a number of French pre-dreadnoughts and armoured cruisers during World War I. It was used as railway artillery in both World Wars and as coastal artillery in World War II.
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• Name — Canon de 164 mm Modèle 1893 • Origin — France • Type — Naval gun Coastal gun Railroad gun • Is Ranged — YES • Is Artillery — YES • Service — 1893—1945 • Used By — France Nazi Germany • Wars — First World War • Weight — 7.04 t • Part Length — about 7.412 m • Cartridge — Separate-loading, bagged charge • Cartridge Weight — 50.5 - • Caliber — 164.7 mm • Rate — 2-3 rpm • Velocity — 770 - • Range — 9000 m at 25° • Max Range — 18000 m at 36° • Breech — Welin breech block • Recoil — Hydro-pneumatic • Elevation — about -10° to +25° • Traverse — depended on mount • Illustration — Railroad model, 1916. • Illustration — The gun was used on land during WW I (December 1916)
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Railroad gun
Railroad gun
The French placed a number of spare Mle 1893 guns on four-axle railroad carriages in 1915 to use as mobile heavy artillery under the designation Canon de 164 modèle 1893/96 TAZ. The mount with its gun weighed 60 t and was 14.7 m long. It could traverse a full 360° if its outriggers, two per side, were deployed. Photographic evidence shows that some mounts had built-up cargo compartments at both ends of the mount, which limited the gun's firing arc to approximately 90° on each side. It had a circular platform for the crew that had to be folded up for travel. Some guns were fitted with gun shields. It shared its railroad carriage with the 164 mm Mle 1893/96 M and the Canon de 19 modèle 1870/93 TAZ. The gun could elevate to a maximum of 36°, but the minimum firing angle was 10°. It could fire a 50.5 kg high-explosive shell at a velocity of 775 m/s to a range of 18000 m or a 52.6 kg armour-piercing shell at a velocity of 770 m/s to a range of 15400 m. A number of Mle 1893/96 M guns were fitted to the same railroad carriage as the older model in 1917, although it only weighed 60 t. The gun could elevate between +3° and 40°, but retained the same minimum firing elevation of 10°. It could use the same ammunition as the older guns, but could also fire a new 49.8 kg high-explosive shell fitted with a ballistic cap at a velocity of 830 m/s to a range of 19200 m. Eight of these railroad guns remained in French service after the end of World War I and at least four were captured by the Germans and given the designation 16 cm Kanone (E.) 453(f) although what use was made of them, if any, is unknown.
Coastal gun
Coastal gun
The Germans used 32 of the Mle 1893/96 in coast-defence batteries in France as the KM 93/96(f), as well as 18 of the Mle 1893 with the designation of SKL/45(f), although it is unknown how many, if any, were simply taken over from existing French coast-defence positions or were newly emplaced by them.

Pièce marine de calibre 164,7 vue de face à la gare de Cuperly dans la Marne. 1916. Guerre 1914-1918. Sur la gauche du canon, un soldat pose.
Raoul Berthelé · This photograph is part of the Fonds Raoul Berthelé, preserved by the city archives of Toulouse. It was provided to Wikimedia Commons as part of a cooperation project with Wikimédia France. In 1978

Pièce marine de calibre 164,7 en gare de Cuperly (Marne). 1916. Guerre 1914-1918.
Raoul Berthelé · This photograph is part of the Fonds Raoul Berthelé, preserved by the city archives of Toulouse. It was provided to Wikimedia Commons as part of a cooperation project with Wikimédia France. In 1978
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The 45 caliber Canon de 164 mm Modèle 1893 gun was a typical built-up French heavy gun of its period. It used a Welin interrupted-screw breech and bagged propellant with a de Bange obturator to get a good gas seal during firing. It was replaced by the Mle 1893/96 gun which used a plastic seal for the obturator, differed in the construction of the gun, had a slightly longer barrel of 46.6 calibers and the newer gun was able to fire a new HE shell further than that used by the older gun.
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- 1.French 164.7 mm/45 (6.5") Models 1893 and 1896. 16 May 2006.
- 2.Carrere, p. 121
- 3.Conway's, pp. 296-7
- 4.Kosar, p. 213
- 5.François, Guy. Eisenbahnartillerie: Histoire de l'artillerie lourde sur voie ferrée allemande des origines à 1945. Editions Histoire et Fortifications. 92. 2006. 2-915767-08-4.
- 6.Rolf, Rudi. Der Atlantikwall: Bauten der deutschen Küstenbefestigungen 1940-1945. Biblio. 387. 1998. 3-7648-2469-7.
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